ISS A Home in Microgravity
Aquarius, An Analog to Space Travel
July 17, 2002
Sherri Jurls speaking on screen.
Sherri: Hello everyone out there in worldwide Web land.
My name is Sherri Jurls and Im going to be your host today for a
very special program were doing. And were here at Johnsons
Space Center and were going to be visiting a very special site off
the Florida Keys, the Aquarius Habitat.
But were going to learn about living and working in
extreme environments today. The Aquarius project is an analog to space
travel. So weve got aquanauts down there and were going to
be talking with them today.
You guys have heard of outer space, right? Well today, instead
of taking you to outer space, were going to go to inner space, again,
to this habitat thats called Aquarius.
And youll get to see how NASA astronauts are training
under water to get ready for living and working in space. And to get this
program started, lets take a look a little bit at how NASA and Aquarius
are teaming up to create this unique learning experience.
Sea To Space Connection video playing on screen showing
scenes of Aquarius crew training and working underwater.
Sherri Jurls speaking on screen.
Sherri: Well now its time to meet the Aquarius crew.
Aquarius, this is Houston, are you ready for the event?
Greg: Were ready, we sure are.
Sherri: Great. Well welcome and its so great to see
all of you this morning. Hows everyone down there today?
Greg: Good Sherri, good to see you. Im Greg Chamitoff.
Im one of the astronauts and we have the whole crew here together.
A couple of guys are outside, and well each talk a little bit about
our backgrounds and well give you a little overview.
Greg Chamitoff shown on screen.
Im one if the 1998 selected astronauts. And my background
is in aerospace and in space science. And outside we have two of our guys
that just finished a construction task. Theyre going to be over
here at the window.
Danny Olivas and Jeff Williams shown outside Aquarius
peering in window.
On my left here is Danny Olivas and hes a materials
scientist. Hes also in my astronaut class, and over here is our
fearless commander Jeff Williams. Hes a Lieutenant Colonel in the
Army. Hes from helicopter background, and hes flown helicopters,
and hes flown in space. Hes also got an EVA, extra vehicular
activity in space. And so its very interesting for him to hear-,
us to hear the analogs between EVA in space under water.
Now Im going to let the guys introduce themselves.
Jonathan Dory shown on screen inside the Aquarius.
Jonathan: Hi, Im Jonathan Dory. Im from the
Space Flight Sciences Directorate that Johnson Space Center. With us here
we have two very, very important people, meet the habitat technicians
that work with NOAA.
[Byron Croaker] shown on screen.
Byron: Hi, Im [Byron Croaker], Im one of the
habitat technicians and Im here to make sure everything is safe
and make sure all the hot shots get their tasks done on a timely manner.
Mike Smith speaking on screen.
Mike: And hi, Im Mike Smith. Im not sure how
the videos going to come out. Good to have you all with us. Im
a [inaudible] for the National Undersea Research Center and [USCW] and
Id like to welcome you all to Aquarius.
Byron, Jonathan, and Mike shown on screen.
M: Hows our audio? Can you hear us?
Sherri: We sure can. We can hear you loud and [clear]. Well
thanks so much for taking a few minutes to introduce all of yourselves.
We are just receiving so many questions from all of the students out in
Worldwide Web land and I dont know if were going to have time
to get to all of them today. So lets get started.
The first question we have is from Steven, and hes
in Riverside, California, and he wants to know how are you guys going
to breathe down there under the water? Do your air tanks empty ever?
Sherri shown on screen.
M: Well they sure do. The first thing is right now when
were inside of Aquarius. In a sense its kind of like were
inside of one big air tank, and its pressurized to the same pressure
that the water is outside.
Back to Byron, Jonathan, and Mike.
And as long as were in here its just fine, but
when were outside and were doing a scuba dive, we do carry
with us two big scuba tanks and sure enough they do run out periodically.
And so weve got a number of locations throughout the area when were
out on our excursions, called "way points", that do have air
in them. So we have to watch our gauges very carefully and make sure that
we dont run out of air while were down here, and periodically
fill up and check in.
M: In fact if we do run out, the guys right now are demonstrating
what we have to do, or they were demonstrating some buddy-breathing, and
this is something that all scuba divers have to know how to do.
Danny and Jeff demonstrating buddy-breathing outside
the window of the Aquarius.
But its particularly important for us down here because
we cant go to the surface if we have a problem. So we have lots
of [inaudible] emergency.
Sherri shown on screen.
Sherri: Okay, great. Well our next question comes from Lizzie,
who is a 7th grader here in the state of Texas, and she wants to know
if Aquarius Habitat is anchored down to the ocean floor, or can you move
it around like a submarine?
Mike speaking on screen with Jonathan and Byron.
Mike: Aquarius is attached to the ocean floor. Theres
a platform thats a [very heavy] platform thats been mounted
on the floor here. Aquarius itself can be taken apart separate from that
platform and surface at different times at several intervals. But the
whole habitat itself is actually built [inaudible] of course because theres
a lot of air in here. And so you need a heavy platform in order to hold
it on the sea floor.
Sherri: I have another question for John Dory, and he wants
to know how the Aquarius simulation compares to the MDRS. Now thats
a new acronym for me. I hope you guys know what its all about.
Jonathan speaking on screen.
M: Yeah, thats a personal question probably coming
from some people back home. MCR estimates [their Mars Center Research
Mission]. It was a simulation activity that I took part in this last March
which was out in the Utah desert with a habitat set up outside [inaudible]to
see what it might be like for scientists to live and work on the Mars
expedition.
In many respects, this is very similar, weve got [inaudible]
that we all share, weve got mission objectives we need to complete.
We have special gear we have to wear when we go outside and so in many
respects its similar. Its also very different in certain respects.
In that case, we were in Utah and if went outside and something
failed, there were really no problems. And its just a simulation.
Here, we really are in an extreme environment and it is very hostile outside,
and we really do need to make sure that all of our gear is working very
well and that theres lots of redundancy and that were working
very safely to make sure that everything is [inaudible] when were
out on our excursions. So in that respect, its very different.
Back to Sherri.
Sherri: Great, well weve got a multi-part question
from Todd here in Houston. And its addressed to all of you, so you
guys can just decide who takes it. But he wants to know what types of
things you do during your excursions outside of the habitat and do you
refer to those excursions as EVAs also?
Mike speaking on screen.
Mike: Well actually the Aquarius Habitat is designed to
be here for marine research and to study the coral reefs. So most of the
time, researchers are down here and they are studying the coral reef and
trying to understand what it is that affects the health of the reef, what
things change the health of the coral and the fish that live in the area.
So both [inaudible] affects that reef. Were actually
doing some of that. Part of our mission here is to learn [inaudible] science.
And so thats actually a lot of the work that were going to
do and look forward to doing down here. Though NASA is very interested
in this facility to look at the analogs between space flight and living
under the ocean, and in a facility like this.
So we are looking at this as a space mission, were
conducting it like a space mission. All of our planning is like a space
mission, our timeline, our communications and the tasks that weve
been given are very much lined up in order to do what we actually do in
space.
Some of those are for example testing out equipment that
we have that will actually fly on International Space Station, and were
checking that down here to see if the equipment works well in a timelined
and contained environment like this.
Also we have a structure that well show you in a minute
that was built outside, and that is to simulate an EVA, and we are calling
it an EVA because we are doing this like a space mission. And so were
looking at the problems in planning coordinating tasks outside of the
facility. And so we have several things like that that are all related
to space activity, and science that relates to the coral reef.
Sherri speaking on screen.
Sherri: Thanks, Greg. Well the second part of Todds
question is during these open water dives, are you neutrally buoyant to
simulate weightlessness or is that-, is it just a normal dive like you
would do when you go scuba diving?
Jonathan speaking on screen.
Jonathan: Yes, we are neutrally buoyant. And really theres
two benefits to that. One is like you said, its very similar to
being on an extra vehicular activity from the space station, so in that
sense its an analog, its a simulation to doing an extra vehicular
activity.
But really, part of the neutral buoyancy is just what you
would do naturally scuba diving. So in this sense, the activity was picked
because of the similarities. Were not actually going and doing the
neutral buoyancy to make it like a space mission. It already is, and thats
why weve decided that this is a worthwhile activity for astronauts
to do.
Sherri: Okay, Jonathan. Thanks for answering that second
part. Now our next question wants to know from you guys how long are you
able to stay down there in the Aquarius Habitat, and are you down there
so long that you have to get re-supplied? And if so, how does that happen?
Mike speaking on screen.
Mike: Actually thats a good question and thats
the real advantage of this habitat for research under the sea because
on a normal scuba dive you cant get very much time under water before
what happens is the nitrogen dissolves in your tissues and is dissolved
by your tissues and thats why there are dive tables and you have
to come up after a certain time, and if you stay longer, you have to go
through decompression stops on the way up.
Well at some depth, and this depth or any depth, you get
to a certain level of saturation where at that point, it doesnt
get any worse. So we are at a certain area of depth of about 46-47 feet
inside this habitat, and we effectively could stay here as long as we
want, and we wont take on any more nitrogen. What it does mean though
is that we need to go through a 17-hour decompression cycle in order to
get back to the surface. And we should not go to the surface in any other
way. Thats the way you want to go back [onto the] surface.
If we were deeper, it would be probably a different decompression
schedule. But it allows the scientists and us to come down here and spend
pretty much as much time as we want or need to do the work out here. And
its one of the big advantages that Aquarius can provide the scientists,
is they can do 10 times the amount of work in a week here, that they could
normally do on normally diving from boats.
Jonathan is speaking on screen.
So the second part of that question, in terms of the re-supply,
in a lot of ways this is very much like a space mission too. Because once
were down here, we only have the gear that weve thought ahead
on it, and brought with us. Theres a certain amount of hardware
that stays here in Aquarius, but for the most part, everything has to
be packaged and [plotted down].
It comes down in sealed, pressure-resistant containers and
well bring it from the surface dry and then equalize the pressure
once that gets to Aquarius and take things out. But if we run out of food
or water, we definitely need to get that stuff re-supplied, and it takes
coordination with a big team of people up at the surface who come out
on boats and deliver that stuff to us.
So in that respect its very similar to space flight.
Mike speaking on screen.
Mike: And different from space flight is that were
able to get something if we as for it, whereas for a Space Station flight,
flying has to be that much more accurate because you dont have a-,
its going to be months before you get the thing that you forgot.
Sherri speaking on screen.
Sherri: Okay, thank you. Well Stephanie is a 7th grade student
from Texas and she wants to know, do aquanauts volunteer to go down there
or are you guys assigned and sent down there? And if so, who sends you?
Mike: Good question.
Mike speaking on screen.
Mike: Well thats probably different for everybody.
The guys who are here who are our experts, our hab techs and the professional
aquanauts and of course theyve chosen this as their career and they
love it. And theyre doing it because they choose to do it.
Actually, all of us have chosen to do this. I volunteered
for this as soon as I heard about it, and a couple of other guys were-,
I think weve lost some com. You cant hear us? Can you hear
us? Sherri, can you hear us? I think we might have lost
Sherri: I sure can. We can hear you.
Mike: Okay.
Mike: Okay.
Mike: And the other guys outside and I essentially were
assigned, but its something that we have known about as an opportunity
for training, for astronaut training. And theres been several different
types of activities that we do for training for long-duration space flight.
So we all look at it as a great opportunity and a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity
to do something like this.
Back to Sherri.
Sherri: Okay, great. Well thanks for taking a moment to
answer that for Stephanie. And, Stephanie, thanks for that great question.
Martin is a student from Riverside, California, and he wants
to know what happens if the habitat fills up with water? So I guess we
can talk about some emergency situations here.
Jonathan speaking on screen.
Jonathan: We sure can and thats one thing that of
course everything down here is planned and there are a lot of contingency
scenarios in case we have those types of problems. The first thing is
it doesnt leak down here. Were just fine, we havent
seen any water come in so far and they havent since people have
been here. So its a very safe environment.
But in the event that we did start to take on water, wed
have quite a while before it got to a situation where everything shut
down because of the flooding. But we always have the opportunity to take
our air, if we really need to, weve got canisters of air that we
can take and we can go out [like the NEEMO] thats just outside and
theres a pocket of air there as well.
And wed be able to radio to the surface and have them
come pick us up, if a situation like that were to occur.
Back to Sherri.
Sherri: Okay, well you guys have been talking about all
these different parts of the habitat. Would it be possible for you to
take us on a tour and show us around a little bit about what your living
environment is actually like there and tell us about it?
Jonathan speaking on screen.
Jonathan: Give us just a moment and well get the camera
all set up.
Sherri: Wonderful.
Mike: If youll stand by, Im going to transfer
the camera to the outside construction project that they have going on
just on the sea floor, just off our wet porch. So stand by just one second.
Hows that video?
Video of construction task in water.
Sherri: That looks great. What are we looking at?
Jonathan: What were looking at here is a construction
task that we just performed just about an hour ago, and its to simulate
doing construction on the International Space Station. And we had a schematic
and we had to put together a set of procedures for assembling this. Its
made out of PVC, but there are a number of parts and bolts that we have
to put them together in just the right procedure and make sure everything
fits just right in the environment of the neutral buoyancy, like weightlessness
in the Space Station.
And so its the same like doing construction on the
Space Station.
And we have similar problems in constructing this that we
do during any other task that we would do in space. Were going to
do the tour now [inaudible].
Jonathan shown on screen.
Jonathan: And just like on a lot of other sea vessels or
even on the Space
Sherri: You know, we are seeing you but not hearing you.
We dont know if there was a glitch in your system there, but I do
know that were looking at your sleeping quarters.
Jonathan showing sleeping quarters.
Jonathan: Are you able to hear me better now?
Sherri shown on screen.
Sherri: We sure are. Thank you.
Back to Jonathan in the sleeping quarters.
Jonathan: Okay, thats great. What we have here is
yeah, youre right, our sleeping quarters. And heres the comfortable
spot for six aquanauts, sleeping. Still on their personal gear. Its
just enough to accommodate us all quite comfortably. And this is [inaudible]
Sherri: It looks like you have a room with a view.
Jonathan: We have a great view here. Provides plenty of
light and very relaxing at night to sit here and look outside and see
the fish swimming by and watch them looking in on us as though we were
inside of the aquarium. Well go ahead [inaudible]
Sherri: And you feel like youre in a fishbowl all
the time, huh?
Jonathan: Thats right. We all feel like were
in a fishbowl.
Shot of NEEMO patch on wall.
Mike: We have our NEEMO patch on the wall right over here,
and this was custom designed by Jonathan himself. Were really proud
of this patch. It is probably the best patch well ever have.
Jonathan: Hopefully therell be a lot more patches
for these guys.
Jonathan showing the main lock.
Jonathan: Okay, were going to go now and to move forward
to stern and this is inside the main lock here. See where Byron is sitting
is, where youre sitting is our main corner table here, a great spot
do work, great spot to sit and look outside at the fish. [inaudible].
[inaudible] were eating and or something its
a great spot where we can just grab some food and well eat as we
go and even if were working on something else, were always
multitasking so were working on more things than one at a time.
[inaudible]
Byron shown on screen.
Byron: Next what youre looking at is our [control
panels] and this is how we make up the atmosphere for the habitat. Air
from our buoy on top of the water, and we have a [inaudible] meter [inaudible]
buoy, thats a five [inaudible] where air reaches the habitat. It
comes in through these valves. Then we slowly [lead off] in here, [inaudible]
[speaker inaudible]
So you can breathe it and everything flows right.
Some of the other things we have a huge depth gauge over
here that everybodys interested in. Just to make sure that were
[inaudible].
[speaker inaudible]
...as well as anchoring system for our lights, microwave,
hot water heater and all the amenities that were used to.
And well go ahead and
Sherri: Chris, we just want to let you know were getting
a little extra feedback. It sounds like youve got one of your external
mikes there being hauled around with you here on our tour.
Back to Sherri speaking on screen.
Thats providing us a little extra noise. So just
wanted to make you aware of that.
Back to showing aquanauts touring Aquarius.
Aquarius, now were not hearing you at all. I know
youre in the [inaudible] area. There you are.
Byron: Okay, now can you hear us better?
Sherri: We sure can.
Byron: Okay thats great.
Screen is black.
Is the power on the camera all right?
Byron: Its looking good.
Sherri: Looks like the old camera went on standby mode,
guys. Where did you go? We can hear you.
Byron: Well we got all the work on it, okay it looks like
were back up and running.
Back to aquanauts touring the Aquarius.
Jonathan: Okay, here we go.
Sherri: There, now we see you.
Jonathan: All right, well move quickly towards the
Mike: You want this camera?
Jonathan: Sorry about the shuffle there. Here Im sitting
in the main lock [down], this is just sort of our kitchen area.
Showing shots of kitchen on screen.
Its a very regular [kitchen sink]. The only thing
thats really different about it is the way the drain works. Instead
of just using gravity to pull the water down, we use some positive pressure
we have inside of here and it makes the sucking sound to suck out all
the water that we put to a tank outside. A sanitation tank out there.
And now well go ahead and move towards the big [lock
over] here. Into our entry lock area. Were going to lose our audio.
Can you still hear us, Sherri?
Mike: Sherri can you still hear us? Are you still with us?
Sherri? Yes I am.
Showing science area on screen.
M: Okay, thats great. Right inside of here is our
entry lock and this is just the separate lock that has completely redundant
system to the main lock. In here also is kind of our science area. This
is where we set up our computer stations and that sort of thing that we
use to do our science and some of our communications back with the top
[sider] team.
Weve got quite a connection down here. Were
all set up on Ethernet. We can access the Web, we can send emails, we
can do other things [inaudible].
Often this is kind of a spot where we brush our teeth and
wash our hands. We also stow our bolts and drivers. Before we put our
hammers in there, well take a [inaudible].
[speaker inaudible]
...we have Gina out here so we dont want to lose our
camera. [inaudible]
[speaker(s) inaudible]
Mike: Can you still hear us, Sherri?
Sherri: I sure can.
M: Okay great. [inaudible]
Aquanauts still touring Aquarius and showing the entry
lock for aquanauts to enter the Aquarius.
Sherri: Jonathan, were having trouble hearing you
now, but I can see that were looking at the aquanauts coming in
from outside, looks like.
M: Yeah, [inaudible]. Our microphones not reaching
all the way out, so maybe I can look at the video and tell you what were
listening to and what were looking at. Looks like theyre stepping
back in through the entrance lock. We have air conditioning in the entry
lock. It remains very cool in here to keep the humidity down. And thats
for our electronic equipment.
So the transfer of the camera from the entrance lock out
to the wet porch. As you can imagine, taking something cool in a real
humid environment can get condensation like you would on a glass of ice
water on a summer day. So the lens fogs up on the camera, but were
back now and Ill let Jonathan [talkover]
Sherri: Well you guys know being in heat and then when you
step outside of your car after youve been in the air conditioning
with either your glasses or your sunglasses on, you step outside, they
fog up, does the same exact thing.
Sherri speaking on screen.
Jonathan: Yeah, exactly. The exact same effect. So we hope
that you were with us at least for a part of that journey into the wet
porch there.
Back to Jonathan.
Sherri: We did. We were, we saw it. And it was neat to see
the scuba divers coming in. Not sure if that was Jeff or Danny coming
up, but I know it was one of them coming up waving at us. It was neat
to see him.
Jonathan: Yeah it was-, thats great, yeah. That was
just a happenstance, just happened to be coming up at that perfect time.
Sherri: Great, well weve got a whole bunch more question
from our viewers out there in Worldwide Web land. Lets move onto
the next question. Sharon is a first grader here in Texas and, boy, shes
doing some long-term planning. Because she wants to know what kind of
education do you need to be an aquanaut?
Back to Sherri.
Do you have to go to college?
Jonathan and Greg shown on screen.
Jonathan: Well really theres a lot of different ways
to get to here, but yeah, going to college is a really nice start. This
is something that we all really enjoy and think is an outstanding opportunity,
and opportunities like this are really provided primarily just to scientists
and to the technicians who work down here.
And so having an education and a background in either engineering
or science is the way to go.
Sherri: Okay great. Well Aaron writes in from Riverside,
California.
Back to Sherri.
By the way, hi out there Riverside, California. Were
getting a lot of questions from you guys today. He wants to know when
do you get to talk to your family, and do you do anything for fun while
youre down there, or is it work, work, work?
Back to Greg and Jonathan.
Greg: Well, we do get to talk to our family a little bit.
Were trying to make this very much like a space mission, which means
that its limited. Were going to actually have a video conference
with our family members and well do that later on this week, but
itll only be one time during the entire mission. Otherwise we have
e-mail, and we do have an emergency phone, but we are not using it for
communication with our family right now.
In terms of fun, is the whole thing is fun for us. Were
doing something that-, we all enjoy scuba diving and we would be scuba
diving on our holidays. Instead, were here scuba diving for our
work, so its really great.
But its very busy. Theres a time line that we
have to follow, and we have to get through all the tasks, and one thing
weve learned is that when youre on a mission, on a time line,
its a lot of work to keep up with that. And so were pretty
much busy the whole time from when we wake up until we go to bed at night.
Sherri speaking on screen.
Sherri: All right. Well you guys showed us the galley area
and pointed out the food that you have stored for eating while youre
down there. Taylor is a sixth grade student from Texas and wants to know
what kind of food is that that you guys are eating down there?
Back to Greg and Jonathan.
Jonathan: Well for part of our mission, we actually have
some NASA food here, which is very, just the same stuff thats eaten
on International Space Station, which is pre-packaged, and pre-prepared.
At the same time, we have a lot of food like backpacking foods that are
freeze-dried and we just add hot water to them and let them sit for a
few moments.
This is some of the backpacking freeze-dried food and you
can see here, its vacuum sealed, partially because were living
under pressure here. It was vacuum-sealed to start and then bringing it
down to this depth, its especially vacuum-sealed now.
Greg: This is some of the NASA food that we have. The reason
the package looks like this is because when youre in space, you
have to re-hydrate the food, but you have to use some-, somehow get water
to the food without spraying water all over the cabin when its in
Zero G, and its a little harder to-, you just cant pour the
water into the package.
his Mountain House food, you can pour the water straight
into the package and let it re-hydrate and eat it. This, we have to use
this syringe which looks very scary my first thought.
Sherri: It does look very scary.
Greg is holding up syringe.
Greg: This is not a medical syringe. We have to keep this
in a safe place, but we basically put hot water into the syringe and we
inject it into these packages. And this is what we do on the shuttle and
on the Space Station to re-hydrate the food that we have. And this food
is labeled. This is creamed spinach, its also labeled in Russian
because were eating this on the International Space Station, and
so we have crew up in space right now eating both American food and Russian
food. And the American food looks like this.
Sherri: Now Greg and John, tell us how tasty is that food
really?
Greg: Some of its pretty good.
Jonathan: Yeah, its really, its not bad at all
and theres a lot of variety here. Weve got all kinds of different
things from corn flakes to chicken fajitas, to fruit to cream of spinach,
to sliced egg.
Greg is holding up packaged foods.
Greg: Macadamia nuts.
Jonathan: Theres a lot of variety and they do a really
good job of keeping the food from becoming redundant and boring. Its
really quite good.
Greg: Some of it is great. Vegetarian vegetable soup.
Sherri: That sounds pretty good, its right about lunch
time for some of us.
Jonathan: Yeah? Were thinking about that too. We all
came in from our dive and after a while well be tearing into some
of this. And this vegetarian vegetable soup is actually a new food that
well be trying out and reporting on back to the food guys so that
they can get an idea of what our feedback is.
Greg: In fact, theyve put together a special menu
for us, for each of us and as part of our-, part of this experience and
part of the value NASA is getting out of it is to evaluate some things
that they might use on the Space Station.
Sherri: Well Greg, do they assign a menu to you or do you
have any say in selecting your food items?
Greg: We have more say than I expected. Actually yeah we
did. We gave them some constraints and they set up a menu within those
constraints and then they ask you if you like that, does that sound good?
And you can go back and forth and iterate with them.
Jonathan: Yeah. And also the nutritionists are professionals
at this, so when they put together a meal package for us, its going
to be well balanced and have lots of variety as well.
Greg: And lots of calories, yeah.
Sherri shown on screen.
Sherri: Well thats good. You guys have to adhere to
the food pyramid down there just like we have to adhere to it up here,
eating our five fruits and veggies a day and so on.
Greg: Absolutely.
Sherri: Well Amanda is a seventh grade student from the
state of Texas and she wants to know what is saturation and how does being
in saturation affect your body?
Back to Greg and Jonathan.
Greg: Saturation is-, what happens in saturation is that
when your body, when you take on gas and you breathe, what youre
getting mostly oxygen and nitrogen, most of that is nitrogen, about 80%,
79%, 78% nitrogen. Well the nitrogen is relatively inert, your body doesnt
use nitrogen. Your body uses the oxygen and when you exhale, youre
getting rid of carbon dioxide.
Well what happens is when a gas is in your body, in your
bloodstream, its in solution. Its not as a gas bubble, its
actually as molecules in your bloodstream. And your tissues take on that
nitrogen because youre under pressure. So just the pressure effect
causes your tissues to absorb nitrogen. The problem is if you come up
too fast, and you have a certain amount of nitrogen already dissolved
in your tissues, what will happen is that gas will come out of solution
and turn into actual gas bubbles, and you certainly dont want gas
bubbles to expand in your body while youre not-, while youre
on your way up.
The right way for the gas to come out of your body is by
having your blood circulate and collect it as the pressure decreases as
you go up, your body carries that gas out of the tissues, back to your
lungs where it can be turned back into normal air and you can exhale it.
So thats essentially the problem. And saturation just
means that youve got a certain amount of nitrogen in your bloodstream
and your body, that you have to get rid of, thats not the normal
amount that you have when youre at the surface.
Sherri speaking on screen.
Sherri: Weve got another great question for you guys.
When you are submerged at the depth that you are for extended periods
of time, what kind of effect, if any, do you have on your human body?
For instance, does your pulse rate go up or anything like that?
Jonathan: Really when were down here, we dont
notice a lot of other effects. Some things are minor.
Greg and Jonathan shown on screen.
Just based on the fact that the air is much denser down
here, our voices all sound a little bit different, and you guys might
not notice it on the Internet, but we all noticed it when we showed up.
M: Were all laughing at each others voices.
M: Yeah, and also, we cant whistle anymore.
Jonathan trying to whistle on screen.
M: Kevins better luck than everyone else.
Jonathan: But in terms of noticeable outward effects, no,
down here, we dont notice a lot. We are saturated with nitrogen
in our blood, but so long as we stay at this depth, it doesnt have
any effects on us at this point.
Greg: There are some other issues though. You asked an earlier
question about how long we can stay down. Really the limiting factor tends
to be just general health and other things that-, for example you get
cuts and they dont heal as well. Or youre putting a wet suit
on and off everyday and you can get little skin irritations that dont
heal very well. And so theres some, so far we havent had anything,
but those tend to be some of the other things to watch out for down here.
Back to Sherri.
Sherri: Weve got a sixth grader from Texas named Lindsay
and she wants to know how do you guys initially get down into the Aquarius
habitat?
Back to Greg and Jonathan.
Greg: Thats actually really neat because for all of
us, we commented and individually recognized that coming down to Aquarius
felt like we were arriving at a space station. Theres a lot of parallels
between this end and the Space Station. And what we did though is we had
transportation on a boat out to the site of Aquarius. We dived down, and
in the Wet porch, where this whole interior area is pressurized, the air
is at the same pressure as the water at this depth, so its just
like a little swimming pool. Its a wet porch, we call it a "moon
pool."
And so wed come up in this moon pool, and theres
this open space and-, but it felt like it might feel when you go to the
Space Station, you come in and you open the hatch and you look in and
theres somebody up there waiting for you. And we arrived, and these
guys were already here setting everything up, and it was a pretty neat
experience, actually.
Back to Sherri.
Sherri: Okay, Olivia is a sixth grader, also from the state
of Texas and wants to know how long you guys have been down there?
Back to Greg and Jonathan.
M: Well this is our third day down here. Weve got
a total mission of nine days and weve been down for three so far,
and everything is just going great. Were really enjoying it.
Back to Sherri.
Sherri: Okay, youve been down for three days. What
will be your total stay by the time you get back up, Jonathan?
Back to Greg and Jonathan.
Jonathan: At the end we will have been down here for nine
total days.
Sherri: Wow. Okay. Great. Well Ginger writes in and shes
from West Virginia, and she wants to know how NASA ensures psychological
well being of you guys down in the aquanaut habitat and for the astronauts,
particularly when youre in these extreme environments for long periods
of time, and how that would play out maybe when we travel to other planets
like Mars?
Greg: Thats a really good question and a very important
question. And its part of the reason I think that NASA is down here,
looking at this mission as a space analog. Were in an isolated environment
here. It is true that stuff does have to come down and go up, and its
a little easier to access it than it is to access the Space Station, but
we are isolated from the surface. We are living in a small space. Were
together round the clock, and we have to deal with that environment and
maintain our happiness and our health.
But it is something that NASAs looking at, and were
all here experiencing it, and well try to debrief whatever feelings
we have about working in close quarters. So far, luckily, were all
getting along very well. We havent had any problems, and were
really enjoying it. So I think if this crew were going to Mars, I think
we would do just fine.
Jonathan: And another thing that NASA is doing for us while
were down here, is theyve set up a time for us to all have
a personal family conference that well be able to do very much like
were doing right now with you all. And have a video conference with
our families back home in Houston or wherever they happen to be. And that
gives us all an opportunity not to feel so isolated while were down
here and to feel a little bit closer to home.
And NASA definitely does realize that thats very important
for crews here and on the International Space Station and later as we
return to the Moon or go on to Mars.
Greg: The crew from the International Space Station that
just returned recently, they were up there for over six months and that
was also longer than they expected. So its quite an interesting
problem for us to deal with. For a Mars trip, it would be six times that
long.
Sherri speaking on screen.
Sherri: Sure. Weve got a follow-up question submitted
from the food conversation we had a little bit earlier of wanting to know
do you get to eat any food from your outside surroundings, like do you
get to go out and catch your own fish and bring it in or anything like
that?
Jonathan speaking screen.
Jonathan: Well were living here in a marine sanctuary,
which really is, its a national park. It just happens to be under
water. So its the same thing as if you were in Yosemite or something,
you probably wouldnt go out and start munching on a deer. In a lot
of respects, this is the same kind of thing. There are a lot of fish here,
but we pretty much just want to observe them in their natural habitat
and not disturb them, and certainly not eat them.
Back to Sherri.
Sherri: Well speaking of being in a sanctuary and seeing
all kinds of tropical fish, do you guys see sharks? And if you do, we
have a viewer who wants to know if they scare you.
Back to Greg and Jonathan.
Greg: Well we have seen some sharks in the area. Mostly
around here theyre nurse sharks, and nurse sharks, they look just
as scary as any other shark, but theyre very docile, very calm sharks.
Theyre really curious and friendly, and there really isnt
anything else that weve seen, nothing bigger than probably five
or six feet. And I dont think were really that worried about
it at all.
Wed like to see a bigger shark, but we havent
yet.
Sherri: Well you guys, you know were going to have
the inevitable question. I knew it was going to pop up at some point.
You showed us the bathroom facilities a little bit earlier. Obviously
you dont have plumbing down there. Could you explain to use how
that whole system works for you guys under water?
Jonathan: Well actually we do have plumbing down here. We
have water and we do have a marine head that works very much just like
the sink did. And its pressurized because were living in a
pressurized environment that would drive anything right out of here into
a sanitation canister outside.
And then also, when were out and were swimming
around and were doing scuba dives on our EVAs, its just like
being a fish and you just do your thing.
Sherri speaking on screen.
Sherri: Well thank you for that candid response, Jonathan.
Jon or Danny, I guess, I hope you can hear us. I do want
to let you know that your cousin from Colorado wrote in and asked a question
weve already talked about a little bit earlier, but I want to let
you know that he says hi.
Each of you can answer this. Whats your favorite thing
about going underwater on a scuba dive?
Back to Greg and Jonathan.
Greg: Well I think the thing that draws me to scuba diving
is very much the fantasy of exploring another planet and another place.
Because when youre scuba diving you feel like youre in another
world, and I think a lot of divers feel that about diving and really enjoy
it for that reason.
And weve noticed that we feel that way in general,
and that were living in a habitat, this could be a habitat thats
in space or on the moon or on Mars, and when we leave we have to put on
this life support equipment that were very dependent on, and we
go out into this environment which is not habitable by humans, and explore
and watch, in this case because were on Earth we get to see life,
and explore the Florida fauna and the surroundings.
But you still feel very much, we were noting yesterday how
we feel like, instead of looking inside the fish tank, youre inside
the fish tank, but you still feel like youre behind a glass window.
And you are. You have your mask on and all your equipment on, and so its
exploring, but you cant really ever completely interact with it
all because youre protected from it. So its interesting.
Jonathan speaking on screen.
Jonathan: And I would say my favorite thing about going
under water and going out on the scuba dives is its just the diversity
of life that you see out there. Theres so many different kinds of
fish and coral and all kinds of marine animals and seeing the way that
they all interrelate with one another. And then these little tiny ecosystems
and theres just a tremendous amount of complexity, and you can study
it forever and never understand it all. And thats really the fascinating
part of going on a scuba dive.
Sherri speaking on screen.
Sherri: Great. Well weve got a note here to say that
all the Dorys are watching, so I guess that means something to one of
you.
Why did you guys decide that you wanted to work for NASA?
Greg speaking on screen.
Greg: Well for me, I wanted to work for NASA since I was
seven years old. My family was on a trip to Florida, and we were there
and we saw the launch of Apollo 11. And so it was actually on that day
that I decided that I wanted to do this, and I've wanted to work for NASA
ever since, and Ive spent my whole life trying to work toward this
as a career.
Jonathan speaking on screen.
Jonathan: Ive wanted to work for NASA for a long time.
Im going to date myself to the young end a little bit on this one,
but when I was in kindergarten I saw the Space Shuttle Enterprise flight
mockup fly over my elementary school in Colorado. And I thought that was
a really exciting experience, and Ive always wanted to work for
NASA every since that time.
Back to Sherri.
Sherri: Well thanks, guys, for sharing that. We had an unidentified
viewer wanting to know that from you.
We also have another question. Do you have to do any specific
training before you go underwater to live in the Aquarius Habitat?
Back to Greg and Jonathan.
Greg: Thats a very good question, and in fact we do.
And one thing wed like to mention is that youre only seeing
six folks here, but theres about triple that many folks on the surface
who are involved in making this whole operation work out. Some of those
trained us, some of those are NASA folks who are working all the planning
and arranging everything, all the logistics of everything that were
doing down here besides putting the whole program together.
And then the National University Research Center, which
is part of NOAA, the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, those
folks are the ones who own, NOAA owns this habitat, and the Research Center
operates it from North Carolina. And thats a huge team of folks
who are all expert divers and researchers and theyre all operating
this entire facility.
So what happened was they took us out for an entire week
of training last week, and that involved getting used to these specialized
equipment we have. We have very redundant equipment thats used for
typically like cave diving, much more safe rigs than the normal scuba
diver gets to use. And we also have in fact really neat communication
masks that we can talk on a radio underwater in our masks.
So weve had some specialized training on all this
and a lot of emergency training. So it was a very intense week last week
to get ready for this. And those guys did an amazing job, and we feel
very comfortable with everything weve done, and weve got the
two hab techs here taking care of everything else, so were in good
shape.
Sherri: [talkover] that Greg just described. We had someone
ask, with all that training, do you still have to pass some sort of physical
exam before you can go down there?
Jonathan speaking on screen.
Jonathan: Yeah, absolutely. And the reason is once were
down here, were pretty much down here for the whole duration. And
so we all need to make sure that were very safe and that we can
all make it through that whole time period. And so, yes, absolutely need
to make sure that were all very well trained on all the gear and
that everyone is in very good physical condition, well go through
a physical very much, its like a flight physical that pilots would
go through and astronauts would go through to ensure that were all
in tiptop shape and that no one is sick or has any ailments that would
prevent them from being able to do something like this, or that would
pop up and become a problem midway through the mission.
Sherri speaking on screen.
Sherri: We just want to remind all of you out there in Worldwide
Web land, weve got less than five minutes left, so if you have a
last minute question thats burning on your mind, submit those into
the chat room and well try to get them answered before the end today.
Weve got another great question: Will the habitat
protect you if there was some sort of natural disaster like an earthquake
or a hurricane off the coast of Florida. What would you do?
Greg speaking on screen.
Greg: Thats a very good question. This habitat has
actually weathered through several hurricanes already. We wouldnt
want to stay in the habitat during a hurricane, but its one of the
things that the support team on the shore is watching very carefully.
Theyre constantly monitoring the weather. And because of that 17-hour
decompression process we talked about earlier, we have to be ready way
in advance of an approaching hurricane to make our decision to stop what
were doing and go through the decompression and get back to the
surface and if necessary also evacuate the region, the Florida Keys.
So theyre watching that very carefully and theres
several procedures to go through and different stages of warning to go
through as the storm approaches. But if a storm did approach and we had
to leave, the habitat would stay here, and it would be fine. Theres
a couple of steps they have to take in order to batten down the hatches
and make sure that its secure and powered off. And the life support
buoy on the surface, which has generators that provide oxygen and the
power, that would be towed in and put in a secure place. But otherwise
the habitat would do fine.
Back to Sherri.
Sherri: Do any of you get claustrophobic?
Back to Jonathan.
Jonathan: No. No we havent. And thats something
that we just basically, they asked us beforehand, and we had to check
that box and say, no, we dont get claustrophobic. And so far no
problems with that at all. Everyone feels very well accommodated by this
volume.
Sherri speaking on screen.
Sherri: Are the aquanauts outside working on any activities
or what are they doing out there? Or did they both come in earlier when
we saw them?
Jonathan speaking on screen.
Jonathan: Actually they both just came in and so if youd
like to have a chance, they can have a seat here and well have a
little chat with them as well.
Sherri: Hi, guys. Thanks. We saw you waving out the window
earlier at us.
Jeff and Danny shown on screen.
Jeff: Yeah, we had a great time out there, a great dive
this morning on the little construction project that was described to
you. And the waters beautiful. Theres plenty of life out there
to see, and when we get done with the work theres plenty of recreation
to do.
Danny: How you doing, Sherri? Its nice to see you
again.
Back to Sherri.
Sherri: Hi, Danny. Weve only got time for a couple
more questions. Why dont we let you two guys take them. One of the
questions from our viewers out there wants to know what kind of personal
things are you allowed to bring down with you to live onboard the Aquarius?
Danny and Jeff shown on screen.
Danny: I didnt really bring a whole lot as far as
personal gear. Were allowed to bring down, obviously, the clothes
that we wear, but I have two photographs, one of my kids, and one of my
wife and myself. Thats all I brought the personal gear.
Jeff: And I did about the same thing, Minimum clothing,
just enough to get through the mission, and a few photographs of the family.
Back to Sherri.
Sherry: No special treats, favorite candy bars or anything
like that?
Jeff speaking on screen.
Jeff: Well we did send Danny to the [candy] store a couple
of days before we came down here, and he stocked us up on all that kind
of stuff.
Danny: Yeah, I think Ive got everybodys favorite
snack food up here, including everybody out there.
Sherry speaking on screen.
Sherri: Well its nice to know you can personalize
a little bit. We talked about the menus earlier and how important was
to eat nutritious meals, but we all know that we have some sort of favorite
candy bar or snack that we like.
Well, Dr. Greg, Cameron writes in and says, "Hey, it
looks like youre having a great time. Wanted to make sure and say
hi."
Well unfortunately we have run out of time today, but it
was so great for you to spend this time answering all of our questions.
We tried to get to as many as we could for all of you out there. If we
werent able to get to your questions, were sorry. We tried
to plow through as many as we could.
But on behalf of the Distance Learning Outpost, all of the
folks out at Aquarius who are working down in the Habitat, and the Ames
Research Center whos bringing us this Web cast today, thank you
so much. Were signing off from Johnson Space Center.
Aquanauts: Terrific. Glad to have you with us.
Sherri: Bye, bye.
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